Jørn Wildt

I have any problem at this time,
It's just the compilation of my research.

in noc.postnuke.com the last version is 0.3.4 July 28, 2003
in sourceforge, the last version is FormExpress-0.3.2 October 17, 2003
since 2003, feproc and formexpress are they still developped ?

Ok , you are alone for all that.
the question is what do you look in the future for these modules ?

Well - in my eyes both formexpress and feproc are pretty much feature complete. it can always be bigger and better - but it's IMHO a very good and flexible platform. I intend to ensure they work on a new Postnuke platform, and hope people will come forth with their feature enhancements.. I especially like the way feproc can load functions from other modules.. which J?rn has used for pagesetter for instance..
So in short, I don't see it as a module which needs to develop all that much. I'm sure that docs would be a good things.. but I'm also sure, that i'm not the man to write them. I've tried writing docs, and for some reason, people never understand them - I find techies are most often bad at writing "userfriendly" docs :) I was hoping that someone like moremojo or others, would make good on their promise and write some docs. Until then, I'm glad I started the forum at contrib.virkpaanettet.dk - it already contains a lot of good help.

As you could expect, my french is better than my english. I'm not the good man for the documentation.
i've not meet yet french peoples interested by a translation, but why not.

i'm more a project manager than a speedy developper,
but i'd be pleased to help you for building that.

I'm sure a lot of other peoples are interested by feproc & Formexpress and want to take an active part of these projects.

Regards,



edited by: ljvd, Sep 13, 2005 - 04:02 PM

Just a note, you may want to coordinate with Phillip Stutchbury, I think that's his name, that orriginally wrote it as I don't think he's actually abandoned it so much as not had a lot of time to put in to it yet.

Halbrooktech: Well he took down the site for it. If that means he doesn't mind contrib.virkpaanettet.dk being the site for it, then that's great - but I haven't heard anything from him. If he wants to come back and work more on the module - that would be very welcome.

LJVD: You removed all your points (about noc etc.). I would very much like to collaborate with someone on the projects, but the code is free to download - and since no one has submitted patches, I see no reason to spend time on putting it on SF just yet, although I'd be happy to if someonen contributed patches and wanted to be able to commit them, themselves. In regards to docu, if you know of a good PN-wiki module - I'll gladly add it to the site, so the community can assist in documenting how great feproc/formexpress really are :)

stutchbury is Philip Fletcher.
have you a contact with jason/academe about feproc ?



yes, because i've send you that part, more personnal, via pm here.
that concerns you only and could be published only with your agreement.



imho, the cvs update is a lost of time for an alone dev. but it's necessary for building a community around FE. losing time in the first time for winning with a team in a second time, it's a communitary strategy.



Chesnut, the leader of the french community, have installed a good pn-wiki, after some improvements. i'll send him a mail.

Best regards



edited by: ljvd, Sep 15, 2005 - 11:25 AM

Yes. He has officially handed over maintenance of feproc to me - after I sent him a patch, he asked if I could take it over.

I'll see if I can muster up some time, and get the code into CVS af SF - I already have gotten the project created there..

Looking forward to hearing about that pn-wiki.

Chestnut's pnWikka is not yet available for download.
it's a great wiki, installed on pn-france.
2 solutions :

waiting and building the doc in the forum
or installing the parent wiki ( http://wikka.jsnx.com/ )and dealing later with the transfert to pnWikka.

a thread about wiki and postnuke is available here :
http://forums.p…topic&p=173383



edited by: ljvd, Sep 15, 2005 - 03:05 PM

To the topic: guppy vs. formexpress/feproc I have to make a clear proposal towards guppy:

I'm working for more than 1,5 years with the combination formexpress/feproc/pagesetter, and I was really happy to see that the guppy function aims into the same direction.

I was really unsatisfied with many parts in the feproc/formexpress combo (although I liked some of the concepts).
I would have liked at least the feproc/formexpress-functionality in one module...

I had to set up websites for different departments with quite analog but not completely the same needs. Each time I implemented a feature via a feproc-set into one site, others wanted it too and I had to define the same set of stages over and over again. I missed a export/import feature. I tried to code it myself and after I finally understood the code, I stumbled over the fact that feproc adresses the stages per absolute id - which made it difficult to implement the export feature cleanly. And with the formexpress functionality in a different module how would I adress the correct forms, for there id's would have changed too?

Then I had to implement the HTMLArea feature into formexpress and wished it had a plugin capability for input fields...

"Why not implement the missing features by myself and contribute the code to klavs?" I thought and began. But I realized quickly that the import/export feature depended on the formexpress functionality within the feproc module, so I decided to code a new module by myself with exactly the features I wanted...

Doing this (I had a preprepreAlpha concept of proof running) I looked what has changed within Pagesetter and saw that many features I missed where implemented into guppy in the meantime!

It is already easy to enhance (and writing workflows and forms within xml is more easy and interoperable than clicking it via a webinterface).

I think that guppy is the better choice, because it is already more interoperable than feproc and I hope that it is developed further towards making the feproc/formexpress-fumbling obsolete.

I for myself have decided to go this way and offer my help in developing guppy rather than feproc (for even its code is way more clean and better documented...)!



edited by: casi, Sep 25, 2005 - 04:26 PM

Hi Casi - as written in another thread - please mail me (jln at fjeldgruppen dot dk). Then I'll see if I can find the time to look at it.

I have tried the FormExpress/FEproc/Pagesetter combination a few times now, but never got it working. I had to work my way through a number of errors due to incorrect or missing documentation, but in the end there was always an error where I couldn't get any further and had to surrender.

Since Guppy is mentioned as being able to replace the above combination, I had a look at its manual. However, I probably don't have enough coder genes to come up with a replacement solution.

So, could perhaps someone who already has done form input to PS publications through Guppy write up a short tutorial? A simple situation would be ok, just to show everyone how it can/should be done...

Is this possible, perhaps on pagesetter.org in the docs?

Hi Zbert - sorry for missing this question. You can find the projects at http://contrib.virkpaanettet.dk